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What Should Be Included In The New I-140 Ead Rule?

Discussion in 'General discussion about executive action' started by Ron Gotcher, Jun 25, 2015.

  1. s_gan

    s_gan Super Moderator

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    If DOL can count why can't the USCIS count? Are they really issuing the visas that they claim to have issued ?
     
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  2. R_S

    R_S Guru

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    See s_gan I complexly agree to what Ron said earlier you can trust DOL more that USCIS/DHS count of numbers.....

    But to since the DOL number cannot paint the picture based on different EB level as well as Porting we cannot make an approximate guess on DOL

    But at the eod remember USCIS/DHS NUMBERS ARE ALL COOKED UP PERIOD !

    Why on earth President of such a great nation has to mention in a memo to USCIS to be more transparent and make sure to use all the VISA numbers.....


    There are lot of different ways to prove that the inventory projected is all cooked up
     
  3. jdoe99

    jdoe99 Well-Known Member

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    That's because you are using only "certified" and leaving out "certified-expired". You have to count both as certified represents the ones that are filed last two quarters and certified-expired represents first two quarters.

    Let me quote Spectator from Q's blog for the detailed explanation:

     
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  4. gcpursuit

    gcpursuit Junior Member

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    Why do you say so? Just trying to understand. I am not claiming that its accurate. I understand its not complete. Are you saying the numbers are less that the actual numbers or more than the actual numbers?
     
  5. s_gan

    s_gan Super Moderator

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    In permchecker all certified are marked as certified-expired ? The numbers I posted are certified-expired numbers.
     
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  6. Legal Immigrant

    Legal Immigrant Banned

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    If I remember, some time back Ron told that Certified Expired means I-140 wasn't filed for that PERM. If that is the case, they don't even count in backlog.

    Ron, Please correct me if I am wrong.
     
  7. R_S

    R_S Guru

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    Thanks Jdeo99

    Try this

    11-012008 to 12-01-2010

    Certified : 21,275
    Certified Expired : 23,662
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    Total : 44,937

    https://www.permchecker.com/search/startDate=20081101/endDate=20101201/country=INDIA

    Looking at this there is no hope but to wait for I-140 EAD+AP,

    1) EB1 filling is going up that's making EB2 slow as well as
    2) EB3 Porting

    Approved Inventory
    Year EB1 EB2 EB3
    2008 India 5,326 14,806 3,575
    2009 India 6,672 10,106 2,220
    2010 India 6,741 19,961 2,856
    2011 India 4,563 23,997 3,954
    2012 India 9,506 19,726 2,758
    2013 India 9,640 17,193 7,763
    2014 India 12,978 23,527 3,465
     
  8. s_gan

    s_gan Super Moderator

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    No, I do not think so. My case is listed as certified expired, but I have I-140 approved.
     
  9. s_gan

    s_gan Super Moderator

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  10. R_S

    R_S Guru

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    The fact it is shown as Certified-Expired does not mean an I-140 was not filed for that case. Both Certified and Certified-Expired can be considered to be approved PERM applications.
    All Q1 cases have been marked as Certified expired (180 Day Period from beganing of the Year)
    And All Q2 cases have been marked as Certified (180 Day Period from End of the Year)

    Correct me Experts
     
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  11. Legal Immigrant

    Legal Immigrant Banned

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    You are right. I checked in official PERM registry and it is inline with what you said. So, A PERM gets expired after 180 days anyways, no matter the I-140 was filed or not.
    Official PERM registry:
    https://icert.doleta.gov/index.cfm?event=ehLCJRExternal.dspQuickCertSearch
     
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    speedracer Guru

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    The perm numbers are somewhat accurate but what happens if someone ports.. or someone who changes employers and redo's the perm.. it would be helpful if a unique ID system for someone who starts the GC process and it can be the A number or some other number .. that will help in counting accurately.. still not sure about dependents but I personally feel dependents should not be counted in first place for EB..
     
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  13. s_gan

    s_gan Super Moderator

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    Nope. I see cases approved in second half of the year certified-expired
     
  14. jdoe99

    jdoe99 Well-Known Member

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    Because at the time the final report was made for the year, it was not expired i.e it was within 6 months. Thats why in the final FY report/stats all Q1 and Q2 numbers are certified-expired and all Q3/Q4 numbers are certified.
    I am not sure if you read the post I quoted from q's forum. It gives a pretty detailed explanation which is bang on target.
     
  15. Ron Gotcher

    Ron Gotcher Attorney at Law

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    You are correct.
     
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  16. R_S

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    Thanks Ron
     
  17. s_gan

    s_gan Super Moderator

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    Could be, however if that is the case then why is certified-expired is not specified in one of the fields in the column ?
     
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    mar212011 Well Regarded Member

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    So what is the conclusion based on the numbers , any hope ;) or hopeless
     
  19. jdoe99

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    I am not sure I understand your question.

    Either ways, Ron chimed in a couple of posts back regarding the first and second 180 days.
     
  20. s_gan

    s_gan Super Moderator

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    In the tabular column, I do not see a field for certified-expired. It lists the numbers only for certified.

    On a separate note. The total number of ROW(including china) PERM approvals between 10-01-2014 - 08-01-2015 is 23K. Therefore the total number of PERM approvals for FY 2015 is likely to be around 27.5K which translates to something like 55K including dependents.

    Assuming a 40:60 split between EB2 ROW and EB3 ROW implies that the total demand for EB2ROW is 22K + 12K (carryover from FY 2014) = 34K

    Based on EB2I PD movement it appears that EB2I would consume 5.5K to 6K visas

    34K + 6K = 40K

    I summary what this means is that DoS has changed the methodology for allocation of visas. They want to minimize the carry over ROW demand to next FY.
     

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