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Current status of CIR

Discussion in 'Immigration legislation' started by avatar, Sep 19, 2013.

  1. s_gan

    s_gan Super Moderator

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    Neither S.744 will be taken up for vote nor will the house pass piecemeal bills. House GOP simply doesn't want to do anything and that is exactly what both liberal democrats and tea party wants.

    The debt ceiling and budget will again come up for discussion starting next month and that will block the calendar.
     
  2. Senram

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    In 2006 house and Senate bills were different. But Hastert refused to do conference so that bill stalled. Now also similar situation can happen. Even speaker will allow conference he clearly mentioned that even compromise bill needs the support of majority of majority. I do not find wrong with Boehner policy when we compare democrats. Last Hr 3012 was passed by house but Senate did not take the bill after Grassley removed hold. So many bills house passed Senate did not take. At least Bohner is saying that bill needs the support of majority of majority. But democratic Senate does not take bills without specifying any reason.

    Anything needs negotiation process when opposite parties are controlling both houses. Each party and President is indicating that the bills should be my way or highway.
     
  3. s_gan

    s_gan Super Moderator

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    The only question that needs to be asked is how is status quo better than legalization without a pathway to citizenship ?

    It is better only because it does not solve the problem. EB2 India will be retrogressed by 9 years in the next bulletin.....
     
  4. mgfag2000

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    It is truly despicable, this political BS that the people have to put up with. HR 3012 clears the House, Grassley puts a hold and then removes the hold at the last moment when he realizes its not going anywhere.....the senate bill cleared in June and has gone nowhere...what is truly shameful is that this Senate bill took almost 6 months (from Jan to June) with countless hearings/testimonies and what not. So much time, effort and energy was put into it. But in the end it's all useless coz the final product won't be allowed to come to the House floor even though it has the 300 or so votes....not sure who came out with the stupid Hastert rule...like I said earlier the Reps are doomed. They will lose control of the House without a doubt. I am not sure if immigration reform is going to change that. It will be a drubbing.
     
  5. s_gan

    s_gan Super Moderator

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    Did you watch the hearings, testimonies and arguments ? Dem Senators did not even want to add a clause which would make criminals ineligible for legalization automatically. Many of their arguments defied conventional wisdom ex: biometrics.

    Moreover, things have been complicated by the Obamacare when the administration opted to postpone implementation of a part of the legislation.

    Read what Luis Guitterez said. He believes both party establishments have not prioritized immigration reform.
     
  6. binu2007

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    Congress adjourned until Nov 12th 2013.. so CIR 2013 bye bye bye.... now same drama will repeat next year... year by year attorney's get fees their business flourish. all in the plan.
     
  7. sigler

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    Ron, would it be safe to say that the Senate bill is oficially dead?
     
  8. Senram

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    It is dead for 2013. But if they are serious they could do in 2014 as the Senate bill is active till Dec 2014. The problem is they will start discussion only after March and if house goes piecemeal way and Senate wants to conference there may not be much time due to elections. But if house accepts Senate bill as basis or Senate accepts piecemeal bills then there may be enough time.
     
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    Well, with the Tea-Party people having been defeated, it may be that they finally see the light and try to become more electable. Although a bunch of them doesn't seem to be open to rational arguments...
     
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  11. hello

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    Senate bill is dead.Only possibility is peacemeal approach in house and then go to conference with Senate bill.
     
  12. sigler

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    s_gan Super Moderator

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    While at times I was tempted to believe that the bill would pass, I always knew that it wouldn't.

    Any Bill that increases immigration, any bill that provides blanket amnesty will never pass and CIR does both of them. CIR was simply too much for conservatives to swallow and they know quite well that it is impossible to negotiate with senate Dems. However, I would have preferred that GOP came up with their version.

    Here is my list of what is wrong with CIR

    1. Bad idea to eliminate waiting times for Advanced Degree Holders. All that was needed is to create advanced degree quota of 20,000-25000 by reducing DV count to 30,000 - 35,000

    2. Eliminating GCs for siblings is another bad idea. Many European and South east asian immigrants use this route. Got to realize that country is made up of families and not just individuals.

    3. Removing dependents from cap would increase immigration levels. Instead, visas should be re-captured to just clear the backlog.

    4. 11 million new citizens in another 13 years was again a bad idea. People who willfully broke the law can never have a special path. That simply encourages future illegal immigration.
     
  16. Senram

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    It is correct. If you review the piecemeal bills you can understand what direction house wants to go. But house bill has too much guest workers and that will not be agreed by democrats. No easy solution.Also any of the solution will not secure the border or stop illegal immigration though may improve little bit. Also any pro immigrants immigrant reform means allowing almost unlimited immigration and unlimited guest workers without any valid justification. That is the reason they want all or none(no piecemeal)
     
  17. sigler

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    I agree with you that allowing ilegals to become citizens is a bad idea, the problem is that the Dems won't even sit down to talk if the darn illegals aren't granted some sort of special status.

    I think by eliminating both sibling-based immigration and the DV lottery most of the backlogs could be drastically reduced, as you'd have an extra 115,000 visas to be used up by all of the other categories. The sibling-based visa has gotten to a point where it's just not feasible anymore, who would wait upwards of 12, 13 years to be able to immigrate to the US? The DV is just a super dumb way to allow people to move to the US, based on absolutely nothing but the luck of the draw. Maybe they could limit the DV to people from any country with already-approved petitions in any other category, it would at least reduce some of the backlogs in effect.

     
  18. s_gan

    s_gan Super Moderator

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    DV lottery and and FB immigration are of no use to people from oversubscribed countries but that doesn't mean they are not needed.

    Also, the 20,000 - 25,00 Advanced quota is needed only to offset the porting which was not so rampant 20 years back. Without porting PD date movement will be very predictable.
     
  19. manixium

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    Gaah, all I want is EAD after x amount of time when the 1-140 is approved.

    Keeping retrogressed workers without job mobility is bad for *everyone* involved except for corporate masters.

    I don't really care if the GC takes 5 or 10 years.. . but preventing job mobility is a real issue.
     
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    Why We Can’t Wait: How President Obama Can Erase Immigrant Visa Backlogs with the Stroke of A Pen
    The President can fix it even if he wants right now. The below is one year old article.
    The only valid test of leadership is the ability to lead, and lead vigorously
    http://www.ilw.com/articles/2012,0201-endelman.shtm

    But patience, while a virtue, is not without limit. Should the Congress not act, the need for the President to step forward remains. You are perfectly correct Mr. President- we cannot wait. As the Great Rabbi Hillel asked:” If not now, when?”

    Do you know why this is not done? keeping Legal tax paying immigrants as hostages for Latino votes.
     

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