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Discussion in 'Immigration legislation' started by Ron Gotcher, Jan 23, 2015.

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  1. Ron Gotcher

    Ron Gotcher Attorney at Law

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    We all know that. If the border is sealed it is the end of cheap labor
     
  3. Ron Gotcher

    Ron Gotcher Attorney at Law

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    That's their dirty little secret. On the one hand, they thump their chests and rail on about being overrun by illegals. On the other, they quietly look the other way while agribusiness exploits illegals to make obscene profits. If you look at the biggest problem areas, Iowa is in the forefront with illegals working in the meat packing plants there. Curiously, ICE has stopped raiding those plants. Grassley and King never mention the illegals working in their home state, nor have they ever asked ICE to clean the place up. Their hypocrisy stinks worse than a pig farm in Iowa.
     
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    The sub-committee on immigration, refugees and border security has been renamed

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    sub-committee on immigration and national interest

    :)
     
  5. Kamakazee

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    What else is new? But this could get interesting in Feb.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/230958-gop-looks-for-escape-plan-on-immigration

    "The GOP could strip the House provision on Obama’s executive actions and instead add language strengthening border security or expanding H-1B visas for high-skilled workers.
    A proposal supported by Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) and Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) to lift the caps on the number of H-1B high-skilled visas issued per country passed the House 389-15 in 2011."

    The Hill reports it wrong. The cap was to lift the number of EB GCs issued per country and not H-1B visas. Shows how little reporters know of the issue. Legal immigration is boring and hence, lacks media coverage.
     
  6. s_gan

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    Are they saying that HR213 will be tagged with the border bill?
     
  7. Ron Gotcher

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    Unless and until you see pigs flying around, that isn't going to happen.
     
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    It is getting played out as predicted by many. They said that winning both chambers may not work out great for the Republicans. Now they cannot even blame the Democrats for blocking their agenda.
     
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    This is a good example of the waring to be careful about what you wish for.
     
  11. Kamakazee

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    Jennifer Rubin's article on the WP.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...nents-dont-get-it/?tid=hybrid_control_strip_1

    Given all this, there is no reason to reject a plan to increase border security and increase the legal immigration of highly skilled workers, students with advanced STEM (science, technology, engineering and math) degrees and immigrants willing to invest large sums in the U.S. economy. This is why the proposal from Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) and others to increase visas for this precise segment of workers makes sense. There is no evidence this would depress wages or that these immigrants are going to take jobs from U.S. workers. The opposite is true. We have a shortage of high-end workers and the categories of workers we are talking about are net job creators.
     
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    The one phrase in that article that explains why this won't get through Congress is "makes sense."
     
  13. Kamakazee

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    You should read the comments at the bottom of the article. So many people are still fixated with the "lump of labor" fallacy that the number of jobs are set in stone. If you bring in more immigrants, all they will do is take away those jobs and less will remain for the citizens. They just cannot seem to get over this notion.

    The number of jobs are never set in stone. Numerous researches have shown that if high skilled immigrants are injected in the market, the number of jobs actually GROW. These people are not going to sharpen their skills and will complain when an immigrant takes the job and will say they depress wages. Being in an engineering field myself, I have seen STEM college grads coming out with their engineering degrees and expecting to get paid 100k/year right away. It simply wont happen. And then when an immigrant with an MS in Engineering will take the job for 60k, they will say they are depressing wages.
     
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    The other thing that these idiots miss is that more than half the start up companies in the U.S. are founded by foreign born investors. That's where job creation comes from.
     
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    Again nothing can justify use of unlimited immigrants forever. Any country need to give preference to their own citizens and most countries use that logic. Even there is shortage of skills, companies can train new persons and that is not impossible. Though the above argument is anti immigrant but still immigration should be need basis but not based on how many are applying. Basically GOP wants to use cheap labor in high skilled and democrats wants to use cheap labor in low skills.
     
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    It all depends on who we take in. Right now, employment based immigrants constitute less than 10% of the total number of immigrants admitted lawfully each year.
     
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    A huge chunk of the EB based visas and H1B visas go only to programmers. Many native professionals take programming courses these days. I think it took some time for them to realize that software skills are a necessity.
     
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    Jenn's immigration articles till last congress use to mention also about legalization of atleast some undocumented.Now it seems since congress changed she is aware that its almost impossible to pass anything for undocumented.
     
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    It is nearly impossible to pass any immigration reform for many years from now. GOP will fight against EO for next 2 years and any piecemeal bill will be struck in Senate by democrats. For legal immigrants EO implementation will be max benefit for next 2 to 3 years. There may be attempts to attach some immigration related provision to any other bills but mostly that will fail
     
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    And the Dems will ride this issue again and ride away into the WH and the sunset in 2016. That is the only way to keep DACA and DAPA alive.
     
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